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WebM Cabal

October 7th, 2010 by Multimedia Mike

I traveled to a secret clubhouse today to take part in a clandestine meeting to discuss exactly how WebM will rule over all that you see and hear on the web. I can’t really talk about it. But I can show you the cool hat I got:

Yeah, you’re jealous.

The back of the hat has an Easter egg for video codec nerds– the original Duck Corporation logo (On2’s original name):

Former employees of On2 (now Googlers) were well-represented. It was an emotional day of closure as I met the person — the only person to date — who contacted me with a legal threat so many years ago. He still remembered me too.

I met a lot of people involved in creating various Duck and On2 codecs and learned a lot of history and lore behind then– history I hope to be able to document one day.

I’m glad I got that first rough draft of a toy VP8 encoder done in time for the meeting. It was the subject of much mirth.

Posted in On2/Duck, VP8 | 6 Comments »

6 Responses

  1. compn Says:

    were you able to ask google about youtube’s ffmpeg changes (off the record)?

    i just like harassing the google people until i get some kind of answer, even if its ‘dont ask’ :D

  2. compn Says:

    reminds me of this quote:
    christ , some honch in a cushy office on earth says go look at a grid reference
    we look.
    they dont say why, and i dont ask.
    i dont ask because it takes 2 weeks to get an answer out here
    and the answer is always ‘dont ask’.

  3. Multimedia Mike Says:

    I talked with a number of people from various organizations that leverage FFmpeg heavily. They told me all about the frustrations they have in dealing with upstream.

  4. av500 Says:

    So, this cabal turns out to be THE “WebM Summit 2010”. Somehow, it made more sense to me when it was still called a cabal meeting…

  5. Carl Eugen Hoyos Says:

    @Mike: Could you elaborate?
    First, Google never posted their (security) patches – we still have to “find” them ourselves. Later, they stopped offering the files that triggered their problems (note that they typically were 5k-10k multimedia files that just crashed, so claiming copyright reasons seems slightly far-fetched to me).
    Their latest vorbis encoder patch (applied by me) seems to have make things much worse, btw.

    The only other “organisation” I remember posting on -devel lately is Orange, and, well, lets no be too outspoken here…

  6. Peter Says:

    I’d prefer to see the engineers push some -devel patches, rather then embroidered propaganda.